tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-840930092789285091.post4699644968661808323..comments2024-03-19T20:31:23.141-05:00Comments on The Chuck Cowdery Blog: Templeton Tale Gets Curiouser and Curiouser Chuck Cowderyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12191121480961526039noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-840930092789285091.post-84208745188837467032014-10-14T14:08:28.693-05:002014-10-14T14:08:28.693-05:00They made the mistake of not opening their mouth t...They made the mistake of not opening their mouth to begin with and now that they finally opened it they can't stop it from talking themselves deeper in the hole.<br /><br />Had they been honest from the get-go, they wouldn't be in this situation. So, life lessons for all, I suppose.Scott Spolverinohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02109548168910173982noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-840930092789285091.post-46041997593626536462014-10-12T13:50:20.416-05:002014-10-12T13:50:20.416-05:00This is all quite interesting being as I'm fro...This is all quite interesting being as I'm from Colorado working for a large liquor store as a liquor buyer. I find this all so odd as sourcing whiskey isn't anything new to the market, the deception is. So at what point did people become ashamed to be sourcing the juice? Simply changing the term "distilled in" to "Produced in" could have saved these guys a lot of hassle and defacement. It's still misleading, but at least the people concerned about this distinction would have the applicable info. Who for that matter, outside of Iowa, would have even cared? "Colorado Crown", found in many states and named respectively, is a perfect example that most consumers don't read the small print even when its provided...AndrewBsupaflyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11757360025236881826noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-840930092789285091.post-25094248843024247902014-10-12T01:52:41.965-05:002014-10-12T01:52:41.965-05:00Hi Chuck, being new to bourbon, I always wondered ...Hi Chuck, being new to bourbon, I always wondered how Templeton became famous in the first place? Locally (Philippines), the expats become so giddy when they see a bar that has Templeton. But when I asked how they like Rendezvous, Bulleit Rye and Rittenhouse they don't act as giddy.singlemaltplshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17134351516922748427noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-840930092789285091.post-52496444160431637692014-10-09T21:22:32.558-05:002014-10-09T21:22:32.558-05:00I found my way here after listening to the Whiskyc...I found my way here after listening to the Whiskycast episode featuring the Templeton company response to Mr. Cowdery's on-air savaging. <br /><br />The impression of resentful, nervous shiftiness was truly remarkable. You could almost hear the two representatives glancing furtively at each other - silently calculating what they could get away with.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-840930092789285091.post-69386579706322035892014-10-08T15:25:28.433-05:002014-10-08T15:25:28.433-05:00Mark Shilling, you can go back to Chuck's post...Mark Shilling, you can go back to Chuck's post of August 29, where he's all about Underwood's dual role.Sam Komlenicnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-840930092789285091.post-47423316908646740372014-10-08T15:24:14.024-05:002014-10-08T15:24:14.024-05:00Mark, Exactly, because it's not supposed to be...<b>Mark,</b> Exactly, because it's not supposed to be legal for one to be both a producer and a distributor, but apparently the legal dodge is pretty easy because it is, in fact, done all the time.Chuck Cowderyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12191121480961526039noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-840930092789285091.post-9591465796664588642014-10-08T12:23:32.919-05:002014-10-08T12:23:32.919-05:00I just saw the Youtube video of Keith at Templeton...I just saw the Youtube video of Keith at Templeton with a lot of weird explanations of what the deal is at Templeton. <br /> <br /><br />Needless to say, it wasn't exactly reassuring, nor did it settle anything, as far as i am concerned.<br />scallyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16576630404612256971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-840930092789285091.post-87391914498300418302014-10-08T09:24:45.765-05:002014-10-08T09:24:45.765-05:00Not to change the subject or anything, but am I th...Not to change the subject or anything, but am I the only one who thinks a grotesquely overlooked 'curiosity' in this post is the statement:<br /><br />"Vern Underwood is the CEO of Templeton and also Chairman of the Board for Young's Market Company, a big wine and spirits distributor."?Mark Shillingnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-840930092789285091.post-85721407204525733862014-10-06T14:35:56.470-05:002014-10-06T14:35:56.470-05:00Wait a minute, IIRC, Collingwood 21, Lot 40, Pikes...Wait a minute, IIRC, Collingwood 21, Lot 40, Pikes Creek, don't claim to be "straight rye".<br /><br />As for the others, where sold in the U.S., any claim of straight rye would have to be proven where someone asked who was entitled to know. Pretty big chance to take if the evidence isn't there. I take people at their word unless given reason otherwise.<br /><br />GaryGary Gillmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-840930092789285091.post-12721277291700044242014-10-06T14:05:26.194-05:002014-10-06T14:05:26.194-05:00Thats Canadian Whiskey Anonymous. Their regulation...Thats Canadian Whiskey Anonymous. Their regulations are their regulations. And its one of the main reasons why my house had 100+bottles of bourbon and rye in my bar area, and 0 zero zero bottles of canadian whiskey.Jared Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06122837246069526857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-840930092789285091.post-31072788765297800142014-10-06T09:28:22.187-05:002014-10-06T09:28:22.187-05:00And sheesh, what about all these Canadian Rye Whis...And sheesh, what about all these Canadian Rye Whiskies? Collingwood 21, Whistle Pig, Jefferson's, Masterson's, Lot 40, Pikes... etc. They aren't "Straight Rye" either. And Canadian regs are even shiftier than ours. All kinds of wiggle room for GNS, coloring/flavoring, blending, etc.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-840930092789285091.post-39218215910785681562014-10-05T22:02:09.890-05:002014-10-05T22:02:09.890-05:00I just watched a youtube video called The History ...I just watched a youtube video called The History of Templeton Rye. At the 2:50 mark the narrator admits Templeton is not good at following the rules. How funny is that!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-840930092789285091.post-54804599736900474812014-10-05T15:35:50.872-05:002014-10-05T15:35:50.872-05:00Well said Chuck. That's how I feel about Breck...Well said Chuck. That's how I feel about Breckenridge, they've lied so much up to this point, how could someone trust anything they say in the future?VT Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08330633131278594422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-840930092789285091.post-65658505116406488502014-10-05T15:26:35.219-05:002014-10-05T15:26:35.219-05:00One thing to take away from this whole discussion,...One thing to take away from this whole discussion, applicable to all of us, is that when you are found to be untrustworthy, people won't trust you, and not just about that one thing. About everything.Chuck Cowderyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12191121480961526039noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-840930092789285091.post-73430705101571956892014-10-05T14:33:41.795-05:002014-10-05T14:33:41.795-05:00A couple years ago when traveling across Iowa, I w...A couple years ago when traveling across Iowa, I was planning a sidestep from the direct course to see if I could get a distillery tour in on the trip. Turns out at the time you needed to pre-register for those tours. Always wondered why. Couldn't see the middle of nowhere having that much tourism to where it was necessary... I imagine they probably only conducted tours on "non distilling days when all the fermenters were down for cleaning and maintenance". <br /><br />Regardless of the facts that may or may not come to surface, my drinking constituent and I have put down a number of whiskeys top to bottom shelf. Some in mix, some solo. We've done a Templeton solo drinking night where a fair amount of the bottle disappeared. We both felt like garbage the next day and both of us have had considerable amounts more with other sessions and single brand sittings... We had decided that Templeton was not a good all night session or quantity whiskey. Now I can only help but wonder if it's the additives and impurities.merdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04511185184630261701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-840930092789285091.post-15740283846462925032014-10-04T20:20:25.826-05:002014-10-04T20:20:25.826-05:00look at products like Angels envy that has a COLA ...look at products like Angels envy that has a COLA as a Whiskey Speciality but advertises as a bourbon. Now that is fraudAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-840930092789285091.post-43382027883905826182014-10-04T17:58:29.242-05:002014-10-04T17:58:29.242-05:00While I think this is a witch hunt, the facts spea...While I think this is a witch hunt, the facts speak for themselves and the story from the boys in Iowa get weirder by the day.<br /><br />Crazy thing here is that the Old Seagram's whiskey is great stuff, why add flavor?<br />That said, from an SUBJECTIVE view- there is worse whiskey on the market for more money... what are the real damages of those who bought it and feel mislead?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-840930092789285091.post-52538405346981130422014-10-04T15:44:30.619-05:002014-10-04T15:44:30.619-05:00It turns out that COLA must be for a separate, thi...It turns out that COLA must be for a separate, third entry. The "Quasquicentennial Batch" product that they released is 75% cane, 20% grain & 5% rye. Released 5/1/2007. <br /><br />Here's an image of the label:<br />http://campl.us/efjmsKD8LVAPatrickhttp://zippsliquors.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-840930092789285091.post-88283896307861619382014-10-04T07:42:48.154-05:002014-10-04T07:42:48.154-05:00Separating the wheat from the chaff is exactly wha...Separating the wheat from the chaff is exactly what Chuck has been doing. (Like the whiskey pun?)<br />Crown Pt. MarcAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-840930092789285091.post-66713581570847775042014-10-04T00:25:28.715-05:002014-10-04T00:25:28.715-05:00For investigation purposes, I sampled Templeton Ry...For investigation purposes, I sampled Templeton Rye for the first time last week at World of Whiskies in Austin, TX. It was very unique. Unlike any rye or bourbon I've ever tasted before, and therefore, in my expert opinion, way more than 2.5% of flavorings going on. Even if by TTB regulations, Counterfeit.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-840930092789285091.post-43912958501659201552014-10-03T20:16:59.318-05:002014-10-03T20:16:59.318-05:00Please don't confuse these bio-whiskey commerc...Please don't confuse these bio-whiskey commercial bottling companies with craft. That is a real disservice to people who actually distill craft spirits.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-840930092789285091.post-46931838019983372542014-10-03T18:24:25.420-05:002014-10-03T18:24:25.420-05:00I think that other spirit they filed a COLA with t...I think that other spirit they filed a COLA with the TTB for was the one-off they did to celebrate the sesquicentennial. I have a couple of bottles at the store, and I will check tomorrow to report back, but I recall it being a sugar cane/rye distillate.Patrickhttp://www.zippsliquors.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-840930092789285091.post-44741248238023098432014-10-03T14:28:55.813-05:002014-10-03T14:28:55.813-05:00I've been wondering if they add a flavoring to...I've been wondering if they add a flavoring to their whisky ever since I saw this interview where he alludes to it, but doesn't state it bit.ly/1rR2qAh.<br /><br />The fact that they add flavoring to their stock MGP rye and THEN layered the bullshit tale about Al Capone and all of that garbage on top makes me respect them even less. The more we learn, the further away they come from being a quality brand with sense of integrity at all.Joshhttp://thewhiskeyjug.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-840930092789285091.post-30230859945388631712014-10-03T14:23:04.585-05:002014-10-03T14:23:04.585-05:00I just happened to look and notice that I have a b...I just happened to look and notice that I have a bottle of Knob Creek Rye Whiskey. Not Knob Creek Straight Rye Whiskey or even Knob Creek Kentucky Straight Rye Whiskey.<br /><br />JB being JB and Fred Noe being Fred Noe, I have no reason to doubt that the bottle contains straight rye with no flavoring. (Mixture of four and nine year old rye, same mashbill as JB and OO if I recall.) But now...now I'm going through the labels on my bottles and looking carefully.Michael Shoshanihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02671624817301711365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-840930092789285091.post-24000882008989436242014-10-03T14:03:21.647-05:002014-10-03T14:03:21.647-05:00I am beginning to think you need chest high waders...I am beginning to think you need chest high waders to wade into this craft industry crap.Mike Thigpennoreply@blogger.com