tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-840930092789285091.post2050191961340761789..comments2024-03-19T20:31:23.141-05:00Comments on The Chuck Cowdery Blog: Scotch Guys Think Bourbon Guys Are Screwing with 'Their' BarrelsChuck Cowderyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12191121480961526039noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-840930092789285091.post-34987715664811739032023-10-07T01:09:54.968-05:002023-10-07T01:09:54.968-05:00LolLolAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-840930092789285091.post-75856069666386716602023-03-10T07:16:24.569-06:002023-03-10T07:16:24.569-06:00Sounds like the second use guys/companys are cryin...Sounds like the second use guys/companys are crying about nothing. The bourbon distilleries have every right to treat their barrels how they want. Also I read in the comments about Scottish distilleries owning first use barrels. This is highly inaccurate. Scotch distilleries have no dog in the fight when it comes to first run barrels. It is American oak not Scottish oak. Sounds like the bourbon distilleries found a way to cut their barrel proof stuff and the Scots are just pissed cause they content of left-over whiskey is less. I would say make your own barrels then if you don't like ours.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00950196575858156199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-840930092789285091.post-69217042483655925202023-02-20T08:35:07.810-06:002023-02-20T08:35:07.810-06:00Any idea if Brown-Foreman is sending rinsed barrel...Any idea if Brown-Foreman is sending rinsed barrels to Benriach, Glendronach or Glenlassaugh i.e. the distilleries they own in Scotland or do these just go to brokers?Michael Lazarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-840930092789285091.post-17596757805928600412023-02-19T09:24:02.062-06:002023-02-19T09:24:02.062-06:00I would LOVE to know what Bourbon Distillery of an...I would LOVE to know what Bourbon Distillery of any impactful size is "leasing" the barrel from a Scotch facility. Maybe a small one here or there but the big 9 certainly aren't. Kyle Hendersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12171552065638778876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-840930092789285091.post-50919712881043517432023-02-19T07:27:53.048-06:002023-02-19T07:27:53.048-06:00More detrimental to the overall product would be t...More detrimental to the overall product would be the age of the trees being used in the barrels unless they are using the liquid left to flavor the scotch instead of the oak. If that is the case why not just dump a bottle of bourbon in there? The younger the tree the greener the flavor of the barrel. Likely what the issue is imho. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-840930092789285091.post-86352516766004868632023-02-17T21:59:12.765-06:002023-02-17T21:59:12.765-06:00Now that the Scots are aware of it, the Bourbonnie...Now that the Scots are aware of it, the Bourbonniers who don't use this process should be able to negotiate a higher price for their barrels. So the Scotch quality (theoretically) drops or the price goes up. And the economics for Jack Daniels suddenly seem slightly less appealing.<br />-KevinAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-840930092789285091.post-34118934683877705572023-02-17T09:51:06.706-06:002023-02-17T09:51:06.706-06:00Hi there,
a 200 ltr. barrel form the US or a chan...Hi there,<br /><br />a 200 ltr. barrel form the US or a changed one made into a 250 ltr. hogshead is commonly referred to as a first fill bourbon barrel or hogshead when it receives Scottish spirit for maturation.<br />Sold as a single cask for example the label states 1st Fill Bourbon Barrel or 1st Fill Bourbon Hogshead.<br /><br />But is it still if it was leeched to the last drop of its original bourbon content?<br />The bourbon barrels are used not only because they are readily available and cheap but they do define the distillery style of some Scotish single malt brands.<br />If the bourbon barrel they deliver to you is suddenly not a bourbon barrel anymore at all you could be in trouble on the Scotish side.<br /><br />And the next step is the 2nd or 3rd fill bourbon barrel... when you start with a leeched bourbon barrel at your first filling does it make sense to call the bottling 2nd fill or re-fill bourbon barrel when there is not much if any influence of bourbon anymore?<br />The first filling with Scotish new make should leech the rest of bourbon out of the pores of the American oak so that a second filling will not be much influenced by the first content of bourbon whiskey and you could better call that 2nd fill barrel plain oak.<br /><br />And so on.<br /><br />I do strongly believe that it is an issue seen from the Scotish side. As a consumer I do see a diminishing quality in the Scotish whisky category overall. Sherry casks are only sherry seasoned anymore and now bourbon barrels are leeched to plain oak.<br /><br />If so that would explain a lot about the status of Scotish single malts to me.<br /><br />Greetings<br />kallaskanderAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-840930092789285091.post-47826276943230902232023-02-16T22:58:01.563-06:002023-02-16T22:58:01.563-06:00There it is! Slàinte mhathThere it is! Slàinte mhathAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-840930092789285091.post-32444472641492504232023-02-16T22:03:37.780-06:002023-02-16T22:03:37.780-06:00If you received a product from one of your supplie...If you received a product from one of your suppliers the same way for 50+ years, and all of a sudden one day it changes, would you be annoyed?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-840930092789285091.post-12702458048312903822023-02-16T19:25:39.994-06:002023-02-16T19:25:39.994-06:00I thought the only purpose of bourbon was to prepa...I thought the only purpose of bourbon was to prepare the barrels for the aging of real whisky.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-840930092789285091.post-68188318262555877352023-02-16T10:45:22.174-06:002023-02-16T10:45:22.174-06:00Seems like if the second users of the barrels don&...Seems like if the second users of the barrels don't like it they can contract to buy barrels that haven't been rinsed/sweated at a negotiated price. The bourbon distilleries aren't doing this for fun, they are doing it for the economics. If the second hand barrell market made not doing this equally or more profitable then everyone would be happy. Larryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05697176708311828276noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-840930092789285091.post-917067446963195722023-02-16T06:59:45.227-06:002023-02-16T06:59:45.227-06:00It can be complicated. Some of the barrels are own...It can be complicated. Some of the barrels are owned from new by the Scotch distilleries and leased out to the Bourbon distilleries for first use. I’d have thought exactly what happens to a barrel would be covered in a contract though.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-840930092789285091.post-31023140766746052572023-02-15T18:48:41.789-06:002023-02-15T18:48:41.789-06:00To my mind, the Bourbon distillers have every righ...To my mind, the Bourbon distillers have every right... even a duty, if they have stockholders to answer to... to do anything they wish to THEIR barrels. Once those barrels are shipped off to Scotland (or wherever) the purchasers/receivers of them have the same right to do whatever they wish. What am I missing? . . . Other than Scottish sour grapes.Richard Turnernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-840930092789285091.post-9643355325220628972023-02-15T18:39:38.291-06:002023-02-15T18:39:38.291-06:00It is about that and similar processes that do mor...It is about that and similar processes that do more-or-less the same thing.Chuck Cowderyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12191121480961526039noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-840930092789285091.post-84029176845347483632023-02-15T18:19:30.000-06:002023-02-15T18:19:30.000-06:00Is this similar to what Jim Beam does with its Dev...Is this similar to what Jim Beam does with its Devils Cut?Harold Bussellnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-840930092789285091.post-21566301620914608222023-02-15T15:42:58.274-06:002023-02-15T15:42:58.274-06:00Lol, "sweating". I knew some guys who g...Lol, "sweating". I knew some guys who grew up near the Hiram Walker Distillery in Windsor. They were doing the same, hot water and roll it until they got tired. Do it on Friday and you've got a weekend buzz!ImNotDrunkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01331247532629601976noreply@blogger.com