tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-840930092789285091.post4612171758631617262..comments2024-03-17T14:10:05.912-05:00Comments on The Chuck Cowdery Blog: Jack Daniel's And Jim Beam Pile Onto The White Whiskey Bandwagon.Chuck Cowderyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12191121480961526039noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-840930092789285091.post-21184627159637428502012-10-08T13:10:09.496-05:002012-10-08T13:10:09.496-05:00You are absolutely right as to the rules but I'...You are absolutely right as to the rules but I've tasted the Daniel's product and it sure doesn't taste like a >95% ABV distillate.Chuck Cowderyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12191121480961526039noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-840930092789285091.post-80868519257242911022012-10-08T12:47:57.323-05:002012-10-08T12:47:57.323-05:00I agree the exact same product can't be both t...I agree the exact same product can't be both the base for aged whisk(e)y and a neutral spirit, due the <95% and >95% limits for each. <br /><br />On the second note, however, I do believe there's no issue w/ regards to 'incompatibility' to the fact that the neutral grain spirit produced from the rye mash actually has flavor and such. Perhaps there's a more detailed review available, but from what I have at hand it's acceptable as-is, I believe. Specifically, I'm looking at http://www.ttb.gov/spirits/bam/chapter4.pdf on classifications and types. In this doc, only Vodkas as a Type have the "without distinctive character, aroma, taste or color" descriptions; there's no such limit in the Grain Spirits Type definition.Sean McPhersonhttp://www.seanmcpherson.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-840930092789285091.post-61688687561146463892012-10-07T20:18:05.744-05:002012-10-07T20:18:05.744-05:00That's the mystery. I'll see if I can get ...That's the mystery. I'll see if I can get an answer.Chuck Cowderyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12191121480961526039noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-840930092789285091.post-7776281043874282912012-10-07T18:57:44.709-05:002012-10-07T18:57:44.709-05:00According to the interview, it is distilled to 70%...According to the interview, it is distilled to 70% abv, so I don't know how they justify calling it neutral spirit. Carltonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-840930092789285091.post-62723595519250359772012-10-07T18:23:47.355-05:002012-10-07T18:23:47.355-05:00All well and good, but it's labeled neutral sp...All well and good, but it's labeled neutral spirit and neutral spirit has to be distilled above 95% ABV. Something distilled above 95% ABV can <i>never</i> be whiskey. That's what doesn't compute.Chuck Cowderyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12191121480961526039noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-840930092789285091.post-82523184730670314662012-10-07T16:56:07.565-05:002012-10-07T16:56:07.565-05:00I just listened to an interview with Jeff Arnett o...I just listened to an interview with Jeff Arnett on Whiskycast. The unaged product is the same as the aged version, but, instead of going into a barrel for maturation, it is reduced to 40% abv and bottled. Since it never touches wood, it can't be called whiskey. Both versions undergo the Lincoln County Process.<br /><br />CarltonCarltonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-840930092789285091.post-54646233288100327512012-10-07T13:16:20.534-05:002012-10-07T13:16:20.534-05:00Good notes Chuck (per usual).
It would surprise m...Good notes Chuck (per usual).<br /><br />It would surprise me if some time in the very early history of Jack Daniel's, it didn't release some rye whiskey. The history is probably too far back to know. Rye and bourbon (including a bourbon-type like Old No.7) are close cousins. It's not quite like "love and marriage...", but almost.<br /><br />Despite the ambiguities in what this new release contains, I agree with Lazer that it is good news that a Jack straight rye will see the light of day some years hence. In fact, I think a rye mash may be peculiarly susceptible to amelioration through the Lincoln County Process. We will see.<br /><br />Gary<br /><br />P.S. I agree too with the other commenter that given the taste notes available to date, the new product seems rather un-GNS-like. Maybe it really is rye white dog and the neutral spirit classification was just their way to try to classify it. Anyway, I believe this will likely get clarified before long.Gary Gillmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-840930092789285091.post-53997549777882046252012-10-06T22:43:51.647-05:002012-10-06T22:43:51.647-05:00The only good news here is that in about three or ...The only good news here is that in about three or four more years we can potentially have some Jack Daniel's straight rye whiskey. Now that would be something I would buy.Lazernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-840930092789285091.post-42328137398803823692012-10-06T19:11:45.160-05:002012-10-06T19:11:45.160-05:00The Beam product brings thoughts of the infamous 8...The Beam product brings thoughts of the infamous 8/80 from the 70s, just with less aging. Hopefully it tastes better than that dud is reported to have.<br /><br />The "neutral spirit" label on the Jack product sounds like a strange label, considering the impressions given by Arnett's and your tasting notes. I wonder if its some obscure result of having to use it for filtered unaged spirit, presuming the Lincoln County process is used on it. <br /><br />I must admit surprise that Jack would jump on two bandwagons with one product. Heck, the idea of a Jack rye is strange to me considering the extremely low rye in their normal mash bill, and here they're going in the opposite direction with a rather high rye percentage. I wonder if they will eventually release an aged version of it. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-840930092789285091.post-4920826750149478432012-10-05T20:53:51.988-05:002012-10-05T20:53:51.988-05:00There is a Canadian Whiskey using the same approac...There is a Canadian Whiskey using the same approach as Jim Beam - White Owl - they filter the color out. Pretty stupid to me. Could they make another go at making Light Whiskey?<br /><br />Wade Woodardnoreply@blogger.com